How to play bottom set when deep-stacked

5555This hand is from early in the first day of the 2015 Barcelona European Poker Tour €5,000 buy-in Main Event. We were only an hour into the day. I initially lost a few pots due splashing around and to trying to flop strong hands, but I eventually chipped back up to my starting stack.

With blinds at 75/150, a splashy, but reasonable 50 year old raised to 425 out of his 30,000 stack from first position. Everyone folded around to me in the big blind. I called with 3c-3h, hoping to flop a set. My hopes were realized when the flop came Jd-6c-3d.

As I would do with all my hands in this situation, I checked. My opponent bet 600. I didn’t read much into his flop bet, as I thought he would make this play with most of his range. I was unsure how wide his first position preflop raising range would be. It could be overly tight, perhaps only big pairs and good big cards, or it could be very wide, including all pairs and various A-x hands. Given the board has a few possible draws, I decided to check-raise to 1,700, not because I was afraid of the draws, but because I did not want an “obvious” scare card to come, making it difficult to play a huge pot.

To my surprise, my opponent reraised to 4,200. At this point, I thought he had either a set, an overpair, or a premium draw. I also thought there was some small chance he had a vastly overplayed A-J or K-J. Seeing how my set crushes this entire range, I decided to call. When you have your opponent crushed, the last thing you want to do is look overly strong and allow your opponent to make a hero-fold. There is certainly a case to be made for reraising to either 10,000 or all-in, but I thought my opponent would fold an overpair. It has been my experience that most players do not want to play a gigantic pot for all their chips with only an overpair early in day 1 of a major event.

The turn was the (Jd-6c-3d)-Ks. I checked and my opponent bet 6,150 into the 9,325 pot. Since I still beat some of the overpairs, K-J, and the flush draws, some of which improved to a top pair, I decided to call. I am not a fan of raising at this point because if my opponent is drawing, he is drawing thin, and if he has me crushed, I will find myself drawing to one out.

The river was the (Jd-6c-3d-Ks)-4d. I checked and my opponent bet 6,200 into the 21,625 pot. At this point, I thought I was in fairly bad shape. However, due to my opponent’s small bet size, I did not think he had the flush. Most players would bet larger with the flush, hoping to extract maximum value. This led me to believe he had either a set, which I lose to, or one of the few hands I beat, namely K-J and A-A, both of which he may thinly bet for this size on the river. After much deliberation, I decided to call. My opponent proudly tabled his K-K and collected the pot.

So, did I make any errors in this hand? I love my flop call because I am reasonably confident he would have folded if I applied even more pressure on the flop, which is the exact opposite of what I want to happen. When your opponent is drawing thin, you want to keep him in, even if he will outdraw you some small percentage of the time. On the turn, folding is simply not an option because the board did not change much at all. The only spot I could have folded was on the river, but even then, I think calling is mandatory, although it is close. It is hard to go too wrong when you are getting amazing pot odds and you don’t know much about your opponent. By playing my hand cautiously, I saved 13,025 chips, which was more than enough to work with.

Unfortunately, a few levels later, the button raised, I reraised from the small blind with A-K, he went all-in, and I called. He showed me A-A and I was out. Even though this trip started tough, I ended up taking 4th place in a €2200 event for €30,000, salvaging the trip. For a video blog where I discuss this trip as well as a huge error my opponents made multiple times versus me in the turbo events, check out my video blog about the trip. 

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7 thoughts on “How to play bottom set when deep-stacked”

  1. Nh, man! Unfortunate turn card. I think you’re right that his river bet = doesn’t have flush.

    Of the combos of hands that 3Bet the flop thinking they’re getting value are AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 66, 33 = 6 + 6 + 6 + 3 + 3 + 3 = 27 combos. Of those 27 combos, you beat 18 of them. 18 of 27 = 67%. If you throw in AJs that’s 3 more combos for 30 total and you beat 21 for 21/30 = 70% of combos villain plays this way for value that you beat. If you throw in AJo instead of AJs then that’s 12 combos on top of the original 27 that you beat for 30/39 = 77%.

    As Sklansky says, “In multiway pots and big pots, unless you have the unbeatable nuts, it’s not usually a good idea to slow-play.” Therefore, I wouldn’t mind shoving the flop here or 4-betting big after he 3-bets it if you think you’re ahead.

    Just an option – I’m not one to say you made a mistake and don’t think you did because set over set is always a big pot. GL – never give up!

    1. It’s even better than that. You can’t count the 3 combos of 33 for obvious reasons, but to keep the calculations the same, we could add 3 combos of A3s to his range if he suddenly was feeling splashier than normally.

  2. Yeah, bottom set is surprisingly a landmine, more often than not… glad your villain was a nit.

  3. Had the villain shoved the river, would you have called? He might have played AdKd the same way, but that’s only one combo so it’s a tough spot.

    What about reciprocality (thank you Tommy Angelo, now I can’t stop thinking about this concept), would you have won more in his shoes? How do you think the hand would have played out?
    Pre-flop: the same?
    villain: check to trap
    you: standard CB
    villain: call to trap, raise to build pot or shove to protect?
    Assuming flop and turn would have played out the same, how much would you have bet on the river? I guess it depends on how nitty the villain is, but IMO opening a suited hand from UTG is just not that probable, unless it’s the AKs or AQs, so your opponent would probably think you don’t have the flush if you bet. I don’t think the villain could have folded a set of threes to any bet size.

    1. If he pushed the river, I would have almost certainly folded, given I now lose to all sets and flushes. There isn’t much I am beating!
      I am fine with my opponent’s flop bet and raise with the nut made hands and nut draws. I think that is a fine strategy when deep.
      I also like his turn bet.
      On the river, it is a difficult situation because I could easily have a flush. Assuming my opponent had the nuts (meaning I can’t have it) I like his bet size, although clearly it didn’t work. If he had a set, I think his bet is also fine, although I think checking may induce me to turn some junky made hands into bluffs and also value bet worse flushes. In general, when your range is very nut heavy on the river, you should either check or bet small. When you have a lot of bluffs (which isn’t the case in this situation) you should bet large.

  4. I think a re-raise on the flop is an okay move to make if you are getting any kind of tells from the players. It felt like a JJ(set up) or someone over playing AA-KK-QQ. I get you are way ahead on the flop, but why not go ahead and invest part of what you end up with on the current line(?) to get that info. Why can’t we ever be a nit and fold to the 4th and 5th bets with bottom sets against older players who pretty much bet for face value?

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